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Was Islam ever a religion of peace ?
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Muhab Dirar
2011-06-20 03:15:24 UTC
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It has become almost impossible to hear the word Islam without the
subsequent words “is a religion of peace”. But is it really? If so, then
where is the peace? Luckily people are no longer being fooled by this
misnomer. Just because an ideology is claiming to be a religion or an
ideology of peace does not suddenly warrant it to be representing
peaceful teachings. Everyone has woken up to the fact that Islam is not
really a religion of peace and this fact can be easily quantified and
demonstrated through the behavior of vast numbers of Muslims. But let us
examine whether Islam was a religion of peace during Muhammad’s own
lifetime.

From my deep research into Islamic resources and texts, it is clear
that there was a time when Islam truly was a religion of peace, but that
time was short lived. Yes, in Mecca where Muhammad began preaching, he
truly did bring a message of peace and egalitarianism. Muhammad had no
choice but to preach peace because anyone wanting to be followed as a
Prophet must teach good teachings to get anywhere and be taken
seriously. So for five to six years of his early career he brought a
religion which could be called that of representing true peace but this
quickly changed as Muhammad realized he wasn’t getting any real results
being a Prophet. After thirteen years of preaching he could only claim
about 150 people who would call him a Prophet. This was a very poor
performance and it seems Allah was not the most convincing God ever
invented.

Muhammad taught Islam in secret for years, but suddenly, it is claimed,
“Allah” told him that the time had come to go public with his message.
As one would expect, his public message also was peaceful initially. But
as he saw weeks turn into years with only a few followers, his project
could only be described as a failure. Muhammad got frustrated and began
to insult the gods of the Meccans and their religion. Just like today
you see Muslims arrogantly claiming their religion to be better than
every other creed and paying no attention to how insulting their words
are, similarly Muhammad began to push his religion as being better than
the Meccans’ paganism and began to disrespect their culture.

Muslims today would have you believe that the Meccans of the 7th century
persecuted Muhammad in order to arouse your sympathy. Do not be fooled
by this. This although true, fails to mention why he was persecuted and
the reason Muslims can not explain this is because Muslims are unaware
of their own history. Let me illustrate my point by analogy. Imagine you
turn on the TV today and there is a report of a man with about a hundred
followers suddenly coming out publicly in Saudi Arabia claiming that he
is God’s true messenger and everyone else is praying to a false God. No
one needs to tell you what would happen to him; we already know how
peaceful Islam is. Yes, this pseudo-Prophet and his gang of followers
would be persecuted but would any Muslim say that it was wrong for them
to be persecuted? Then why the double standards? Why is it that when the
same thing happens and Muhammad begins insulting Meccan gods, suddenly
he is hailed as a hero and a victim. Why do Muslims expect other people
to treat Muslims differently and in a more special manner? Did the
Meccans not have the right to love and defend the honor of the Gods they
worshipped?

After these few years of Muhammad preaching however, the message quickly
turned sour and began to be poisoned by messages of hate which are easy
to ascertain from the Quran and are a signature testifying to its human
origin. They also testify to Muhammad’s frustration for essentially
failing to see the success he had hoped to see. The peaceful message
Muhammad began with quickly took on a different tone as Muhammad’s
followers, now convinced he was the Prophet of God, numbered about 150.
Islam quickly turned into a religion of constant quarrels and wars that
last to this very day. What kind of peace is this I ask? Muhammad
poisoned the Meccan society so much and created such divisions that he
was forced into exile. After this point there was unending war and
bloodshed. Muslims say all these wars were defensive wars and Muslims
were only protecting themselves. Again, this demonstrates how little
Muslims have looked at their own historical sources. When you do, it
rapidly becomes obvious that most of Muhammad’s battles were offensive
and “NOT” defensive. How else do you think Muhammad and his “Ummah” paid
for their expenses? Muhammad paid for his and the Ummah’s expenses by
looting and stealing from innocent tribes, merchant caravans and
peoples. If you do not believe me, as I am sure you will not, take this
hadith as an example which explicitly show Muhammad attacking a whole
tribe without warning and looting at will: -

Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 46, Number 717:

Narrated Ibn Aun:
…Muhammad had SUDDENLY attacked Bani Mustaliq WITHOUT WARNING while they
were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of
water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were
taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that
Ibn ‘Umar had told him the above narration and that Ibn ‘Umar was in
that army.

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Michael Gray
2011-06-21 11:08:11 UTC
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:15:24 +0700, Muhab Dirar
Post by Muhab Dirar
It has become almost impossible to hear the word Islam without the
subsequent words “is a religion of peace”. But is it really?
No.
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Zacharias Mulletstein
2011-06-21 17:39:05 UTC
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Post by Michael Gray
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:15:24 +0700, Muhab Dirar
Post by Muhab Dirar
It has become almost impossible to hear the word Islam without the
subsequent words “is a religion of peace”. But is it really?
No.
Islam is a religion of war, pestilence, and bestiality. Also cannibalism,
hatred, and warmongering.
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Jesus Christ.
Colanth
2011-06-21 18:34:31 UTC
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:39:05 -0500, "Zacharias Mulletstein"
Post by Michael Gray
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:15:24 +0700, Muhab Dirar
Post by Muhab Dirar
It has become almost impossible to hear the word Islam without the
subsequent words “is a religion of peace”. But is it really?
No.
Christianity is a religion of war, pestilence, and bestiality. Also cannibalism,
hatred, and warmongering.
Sad but true.
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Kenny McCormack
2011-06-21 18:46:05 UTC
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Post by Michael Gray
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:15:24 +0700, Muhab Dirar
Post by Muhab Dirar
It has become almost impossible to hear the word Islam without the
subsequent words “is a religion of peace”. But is it really?
No.
Islam is a religion of war, pestilence, and bestiality. Also cannibalism,
hatred, and warmongering.
Yes. True. And (as hard as it is to believe), even worse than Christianity
(on those same points).
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Uergil
2011-06-21 22:27:30 UTC
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Fundamentalist Christian Pentecostalism is a religion of war,
pestilence, and bestiality. Also cannibalism, hatred, and
warmongering.
-- I am a Fundamentalist Christian Pentecostal Warrior
Yup!
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Proud American
2011-06-21 18:29:05 UTC
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Post by Michael Gray
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:15:24 +0700, Muhab Dirar
Post by Muhab Dirar
It has become almost impossible to hear the word Islam without the
subsequent words “is a religion of peace”. But is it really?
No.
islam is the religion of Pieces, an arm there, a leg there, a head over
there etc..
Don Martin
2011-06-21 11:48:12 UTC
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Post by Muhab Dirar
It has become almost impossible to hear the word Islam without the
subsequent words “is a religion of peace”. But is it really?
No monotheism can be a religion of peace, because the starting point
of monotheism is intolerance for those who have the wrong god(s), or
approach the "right" god in the wrong way.
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